Time for an article by a House Jew

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Whereas this blog doesn’t whinge about anything does it?

Christ,what’s that smell again.

Perhaps CIF is running out of pieces of silver to pay their House Jews.
Should we pitch in.

Well, no surprise – it didn’t take long for the first Holocaust denier and Ahminajad admirer to appear on CIF.

This commentator has picked up on the new themes around Holocaust denial:

It is a “black box” that no-one is allowed to investigate

Despite the fact that there are few topics in the world’s history that have been, and continue to be, as extensively researched and “proven”, if proof be needed, than the Holocaust.

So far, the comment is up there for 5 hours …. 15 recommendations ..

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2009/sep/23/iran-struggle-back-wrong-side?commentid=a9be3124-88d8-4507-af60-595e3f9efe46

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23 Sep 09, 9:01pm (about 5 hours ago)

This is what millions of Iranians set out to do, in mass demonstrations this summer; and that is what some of them are still trying to do, despite beatings, killings, torture, rape, the continued arrest of thousands of activists, and a grotesque show trial of leading reformists.

millions? what about the millions who support the regime, the millions who are not the vested interests of a certain elite? – to date no evidence of any fraud has been proven in fact it appears ahmedinejad win was fair as fair as any election can be even ours.

that is, the Holocaust – “is false … It is a lie based on an unprovable and mythical claim.”

no once again you are playing with the facts and context. he is of course questioning the immutable truth of the holocaust, that is the truth that cannot be discussed or queried. what he says is such a debate should be allowed because only the truth of the holocaust will out. that is if the holocaust is as claimed in detail as presented then any research can only result in that truth.

what he dislikes is the ‘black box’ of that truth. no other historical fact has that bubble wrap.

Analysts of Iran sometimes use the image of a race between two clocks: the nuclear clock and the democracy clock

no evidence of iran seeking nuclear weapons.

One of these the British government has now done – funding the first-rate BBC Persian television and internet service,

advocating state sponsored propaganda but not when it is iranian how curious.

The contest inside Iran is far from over. Its outcome is not up to us, but at least we must do nothing that helps the wrong side win..

the iranian out manoevered us, and we want a second bite of the cherry.

all in all a very poor article.
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This is a guest post from the omnipresent AKUS

Very fitting.

I believe that DavidT mentioned that he can no longer post on CI(F).

You are in good company AKUS.

And tell Bunglawhatever that he just wrote his last farticle for CiF

Very appropriate.

From the GartonAsh thread:

ShamelessHussy
23 Sep 09, 11:43pm
Ahmedinejad is the most popular President that Iran has had since the revolution and not just in Iran but throughout the Muslim world.
The allegations of fraud are played out by propagandists and jealous non-entities who have an axe to grind with a country that cannot be dictated to by the Yanks.
Iran is building her own cars, warships and fighter jets. Soon she will no longer have to rely on fossil fuel for her energy needs. Of course a country like that is dangerous for US hegemony, Israeli fascists, and the tinpot Arab dictatorships in the pockets of the Yanks. So of course they will do absolutely anything to stop Iran.
The fact is that nothing can stop Iran because she is at the point of no return. I applaud Iran in her efforts and wish her well. I live in hope that Iran will also be able to build and maintain a nuclear arsenal to deter the threats emanating from certain Jewish entities, and maybe she can even take pre-emptive action to forestall such threats in the future (hint: threat of heavy bombardment of the cities and infrastructure of said threatening Jewish entity).

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So, here’s a pretty clear call for pre-emptively nuking “the cities and infrastructure” of the “Jewish entity”.
Mind you, the “Jewish entity” — that means ShamelessHussy is either too dumb to understand that the pc code requires to substitute Jewish for Zionist, or he/she is simply testing how far you can go…

Talk about Postman bites dog!!

Its going to be a great day on that humorous blog called CIF! They are clearly trying to compete with Gaddafi for laughs!!

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The stern warning on the Fayyad thread is promptly followed by:

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24 Sep 09, 10:48am (31 minutes ago)
This comment has been removed by a moderator. Replies may also be deleted.

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Namokel (for those new to the scene – Namokel is one of the most vociferous Israel bashers …)

24 Sep 09, 10:50am (28 minutes ago)

Ben White says

Yet for a presidential bid, Fayyad would face significant obstacles to victory, notably his lack of either a support base or affiliation to the main parties, Fatah and Hamas.

CifEditor says

This is an article about Salam Fayyad and West Bank politics. Please confine your discussion to that. Further comments about Hamas may be deemed off-topic and deleted by the moderators.

How can you possibly discuss West Bank politics without commenting on both Hamas and Fatah.

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Good question namokel!!!

Here’s another good one:

How can you possibly discuss West Bank politics when all the pro-Israeli posters are being systematically banned or having their comments deleted????

Mita – you are right! Panic reigns!

CifEditor

24 Sep 09, 12:35pm (11 minutes ago)
Staff Staff

OFF-TOPIC WARNING

Several readers have continued posting off-topic comments in this thread. The moderators are removing them.

That naughty Teacup and Namokel keep infringing community standards …

Will they also be banned???

Well, it didn’t take long for the lust for advertising dollars to kick in …

A new article by Freedman on – wait for it – CiFWatch’s topic … anti-Semitism!!

And the first comment is …

CifEditor

24 Sep 09, 3:07pm (about 2 hours ago)
Staff Staff

OFF-TOPIC WARNING

Please confine comments to issues raised in this article. Off-topic comments may be removed by the moderators.
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We seem to be educating the Guardian as to the content of thatappears on its web-site (by the way – similar warnings ONLY seem to be posted on I/P threads at this time)

CIFWatch may be putting itself out of business.

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But be strong and of good courage … the Editors Warning doesn’t mean removing comments like the following lie by an “As-A-Jew” stating that Israel uses chemical weapons …

Spot

24 Sep 09, 3:33pm (about 1 hour ago)

I am Jewish [and therefore can say the most horrible things about other jews without fear of contradiction] and can say that I have shouted worse things at the tv when I have seen Israel using chemical weapons against women and children.

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So CIFWatch may still have to “go marauding across”, as Freedman might write, the Guardian’s website for a while yet to shine a little light into some of the darker corners …

It is now getting on towards evening and the enthusiasm about purity on the Fayyad thread is waning. There are all sorts of side discussions going on of the type stringently prohibited at the start.
New mods mod cleaner would you say?

Such gentlemanly consideration!

CommunityMod
24 Sep 09, 5:55pm (1 minute ago)

To prevent this thread from going off topic, it will be closing overnight from 7pm.
Thanks for your comments.

Well, what a number: Seth Freedman holds forth on antisemitism… How mucho mucho he knows about it is nicely illustrated here:
http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2009/08/seth-freedman-eliminates-anti-semitism.html

But this is probably Freedman’s recipe for Cif-success: go and give an interview to Press TV, and then go and write a Cif piece about how horrible Press TV is; call Israel a racist “cancer” (just like those who wish for “radiation therapy”) and all sorts of other things, and then write an article posing as he-who-knows-all-about-antisemitism, repeat this pattern as often as you possibly can, and be mucho mucho proud of yourself and your moral rectitude…

Fairplay
We have made Israel ours:
by the love we feel for it,
by the work we have put into it
by the children born on it,
by the bodies buried in it,
by the soldiers who fought for it
by the roads that criss-cross it
and by the trees that transfigure it.

We have made it ours by the language we speak in it,
by the dances we dance on it
and by the songs we sing to it.

We have made it ours by the joy we feel in it
and the tears we have shed for it

Great article AKUS and excellent comments.

Were I still able to post to CiF, it would concern me that the CiFEditor (Georgina/Matt?), now issues stern warnings about posting OffTopic or else (Ben White article). As I’m not………

They’re getting rather fraught over there at Farringdon Street.
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Margie, your line “and by the trees that transfigure it” reminded me of something I read recently — I think it was Ariadne who left the link on another thread here:
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/Hope_Simpson.html

– which is a British report about Palestine in 1930. It’s very long, but I scrolled through it, reading a bit here and there, and one of the passages that caught my eye was this:

“There is a small Jewish village called Motza, close to Jerusalem, where a farmer of the name of Broza has planted an orchard, on what seemed to be sterile and barren rock. The trees and the vines have flourished, and what was a wilderness without vegetation of any kind is now a fine orchard producing a large income for its proprietor. The result is the more praiseworthy in that the planter received no assistance from any Jewish or other sources, but created the property by his own exertions. Another instance of development on the same lines is the orchard planted by the Zionist Organisation at Dilb. (Kiryath Anavin). The land on which that orchard has been planted was similar to that of Motza. The trees were not irrigated but they have succeeded wonderfully. A similar instance is to be found in the Jewish suburb of BethHakarem, close to Jerusalem, where a hillside which appeared to be hopelessly bare and arid is now covered with gardens containing trees of every kind. Everywhere the Jews are planting, and have planted trees, and there is no one of their colonies where this branch of agricultural activity is not in evidence.”

WINSTON CHURCHILL ON ISLAM – SPEECH IN 1899! 110 years ago:
“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.
The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.
A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.
No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.”
Sir Winston Churchill (The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50(London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899)

Wow, JMite – Churchill was spot on! Not very P.C. in today’s terms, but in those days even the great writers like G. B. Shaw or H.G. Wells ( socialists to boot ) would come out with similar patronising sentiments regarding “inferior” civilisations.

Fairplay – Wow, JMite – Churchill was spot on!

Yes. What I find so surprising is that Churchill was very young when he wrote that and it is so applicable today. Especially about science being to shield against the advances of Islam.

Could this be why Saudi Arabia is investing hundreds of billions of dollars in a huge new university on Saudi soil. It will be interesting to see how it develops. If it ever evolves into a true ground breaking university or just a monument to the money that Arabs bleed off the world economy through their oil.

One wonders how they will approach theories of Evolution and geology. And inter-stellar distances and time. Will they try to build a time machine to investigate what the Prophet actually said. Not what he was reported to have said.

The existing universities in the Arab world seem to be unexciting.

John Brown – you’re preaching to the choir.