Best thing to do is hear what he has to say then take his argument to pieces. Simples!!!!

Perhaps you haven’t seen this:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=163537&page=17

If nothing else, this consolidates a lot of information.

http://www.mererhetoric.com/archives/11275875.html

Good idea but I would suggest waiting until you can be sure that enough people view this site so that a call to boycott CIF on this site would be effective.

And this site would have to provide an alternative meeting ground with enough posts to satisfy my debating appetite. (and presumably, the debating skills of others).

Perhaps someone from the site would respond.

Well. I suppose some of them are.

However, it does allow a certain amount of satisfaction to people like myself who used to comment on CI(F), (until being banned), and saw through the ‘balanced’ publications on CI(F).

Here, hopefully, I am able to express my thorough disdain of CI(F) without fear of ‘deletions’.

A novel feeling.

In and of themselves they are inconsequential, rather it is what they represent which must be argued against, that slapdash propaganda, the “understanding” of anti-Jewish racism, that willingness to always see the charitable side of anyone who attacks Jews (ie. Iranian President) and the habit of cobbling together any old argument to delegitimise the State of Israel.

These people are inconsequential and probably only do it to gain favour, fame and cheap notoriety, but the subject goes beyond them and as Arnon suggests much more needs to be done.

But, we need to go beyond posting our outrage on an obscure web site.

We need to mount counter speakers at conferences that support Israel and attack verbally the enablers of antisemitism.

Site administrators: That quote above is from someone pretending to be me. You need to set up passwords – or something – to prevent this.

John, your advice to AKUS is wise about perhaps not going for the jugular (CiF mods are such sensitive souls) but, whether you meant to or not, it highlighted yet another distinction made between pro-Israel/?Jewish posters on CiF and yer average run of the mill poster – we are constrained by threat of moderation where as certain creatures such as moron and laRitournelle can be as shrill as they wish, apparently without let or hindrance.

it is evident that only a handful who point out the errors are allowed to be there, almost like the “token Jew” who if they behave and are “nice” are allowed to post.

Indeed, the Guardian’s atttitude towards Jews seems to be exactly the same as that of the racist white American south towards black freedmen: Know your subordinate place, stay in your place, and shut up or we’ll shut you up.

Actually, much the same as the Muslim attitude towards the Jewish dhimmi for one- and one-half millennia.

That may be what the Muslim and Guardian worldview hates so much about Zionists – just as the American south’s virulent hatred for “uppity blacks” – that is, complete and all-consuming hatred for the minority which wil not stay in its place, whether black or Jewish.

I recognise so few of the Israel supporters and yet the old opponents are there – berchmans larrit moron etc

Considering the high volume of articles that relate to Israel, one would think that something positive would sneak in now and again, but if a Leftist like Petra is called a Kahanist what can be expected?

For reasons which obviously pertain to the views they put forward and very well expressed, which are in direct opposition to the ‘CI(F)/Guardian world view’.

What surprises me is that no one noticed this ‘well of deep anger and rage’ before.

Still. Better late than never.

Yet they frequent this site to see what is being said, and many come here to “debate” as this is the fuel that drives them

John – thanks for your comment. Probably right – the Carmi thread really got to me. It was pure cyber-mobbing assisted by the moderators removing almost every post in support of her and allowing posts attacking and denigrating her that would never be condoned for a moment if it had been, for example, Lerman, or another of the protected favorites, writing.

There have been cases of cyber-bullying in the US that have led to tragedies, and she was, after, writing under her own name thus opening herself to future verbal or physical abuse. She had the guts to stand up for her point of view by allowing a reprint of her response to Gordon from the LA Times (I assume CIF cannot simply “lift” articles from other sources without the author’s permission). She deserved the same respect and protection the Guardian provides even to, for example, spokesmen for Hamas.

I may “reappear” on CIF, but I have seriously begun to question the utility – or futility – of trying to break out of the endless spirals on the threads with some actual facts and what I think is a reasoned POV, let alone dealing with the not-so-hidden anti-Semites the site attracts. Also the futility of occasionally injecting a little humor into the grim world the editors and moderators seem to prefer and watching the comments disappear!

CIF’s I/P threads have degenerated into a sort of horrible narcissistic meeting place for a rather small group of agenda-driven uninformed Israel-haters, contributors and commentators, who like to see themselves in print spouting their opinions, endlessly using the same “talking points” to try to paint Israel as an evil empire. The same can be said for those threads that give those who blame the US for all the world’s woes a chance to spout their hatred of America.

Perhaps I should simply watch talknic destroy the site with his endless war against banning and the repetitive nonsense that he manages to post each time till the moderators catch up with him?

Eh?