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	<title>Comments on: Combating Biased Moderation: How To Save Posts Before Deletion</title>
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		<title>By: Iloathetheguardian</title>
		<link>http://cifwatch.com/2009/09/03/combating-biased-moderation-how-to-save-posts-before-deletion/comment-page-2/#comment-1232</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Iloathetheguardian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 22:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dotty mentioning reincarnations,he is on an eternal wheel of reincarnations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dotty mentioning reincarnations,he is on an eternal wheel of reincarnations.</p>
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		<title>By: JerusalemMite</title>
		<link>http://cifwatch.com/2009/09/03/combating-biased-moderation-how-to-save-posts-before-deletion/comment-page-2/#comment-1063</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JerusalemMite]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 02:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Look at the number of posts from the silly b*gger.

(Gasp.)

What dreadful language.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at the number of posts from the silly b*gger.</p>
<p>(Gasp.)</p>
<p>What dreadful language.</p>
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		<title>By: Demeter</title>
		<link>http://cifwatch.com/2009/09/03/combating-biased-moderation-how-to-save-posts-before-deletion/comment-page-2/#comment-1049</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Demeter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 21:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AKUS, hi

Your post at 4.45 - and the old lags of anti-Israel posters being bitter and twisted haters - yes I very much agree with you.

It has to be Israel for them; if they tried substituting Italy or China it just wouldn&#039;t have the same zing would it, not least because that couldn&#039;t justify the Jew-hatred.

I was appalled at some reactions to the building the Palestinian state thread - I honestly belief that most of these idiots would lose their raison d&#039;etre if the Palestinian people finally said &quot;Enough!&quot; to their various corrupt leaders and asked for Israel&#039;s help to build a state of their own.

In my lifetime I hope.

Incidentally, who the blazes has given E-numbers to Dotty/LeonWells?  Please stop!  He&#039;s practically bouncing off the walls! Look at the number of posts from the silly b*gger.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AKUS, hi</p>
<p>Your post at 4.45 &#8211; and the old lags of anti-Israel posters being bitter and twisted haters &#8211; yes I very much agree with you.</p>
<p>It has to be Israel for them; if they tried substituting Italy or China it just wouldn&#8217;t have the same zing would it, not least because that couldn&#8217;t justify the Jew-hatred.</p>
<p>I was appalled at some reactions to the building the Palestinian state thread &#8211; I honestly belief that most of these idiots would lose their raison d&#8217;etre if the Palestinian people finally said &#8220;Enough!&#8221; to their various corrupt leaders and asked for Israel&#8217;s help to build a state of their own.</p>
<p>In my lifetime I hope.</p>
<p>Incidentally, who the blazes has given E-numbers to Dotty/LeonWells?  Please stop!  He&#8217;s practically bouncing off the walls! Look at the number of posts from the silly b*gger.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon Wells</title>
		<link>http://cifwatch.com/2009/09/03/combating-biased-moderation-how-to-save-posts-before-deletion/comment-page-2/#comment-1038</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leon Wells]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 19:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oops -- no...

There it is -- sorry folks! (and thanks)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops &#8212; no&#8230;</p>
<p>There it is &#8212; sorry folks! (and thanks)</p>
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		<title>By: Leon Wells</title>
		<link>http://cifwatch.com/2009/09/03/combating-biased-moderation-how-to-save-posts-before-deletion/comment-page-2/#comment-1037</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leon Wells]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 19:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[JerusalemMite

I did respond to your comment in detail, but unfortunately I fell foul of biased moderation. I also forgot to save my post before deletion. Ironic, don&#039;t you think?

But yes, as you say -- Shalom/Saalam/Peace]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JerusalemMite</p>
<p>I did respond to your comment in detail, but unfortunately I fell foul of biased moderation. I also forgot to save my post before deletion. Ironic, don&#8217;t you think?</p>
<p>But yes, as you say &#8212; Shalom/Saalam/Peace</p>
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		<title>By: SilverTrees</title>
		<link>http://cifwatch.com/2009/09/03/combating-biased-moderation-how-to-save-posts-before-deletion/comment-page-2/#comment-1020</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SilverTrees]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 14:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AKUS, too bad you have been banned.  Your posts were always to the point and dealt with the arguments without gunning for the posters.  

I believe you were banned as a last gasp idiotic effort by CiF against CiFWatch, which has rattled their moderators so much that they can no longer tell the difference between reasoned argument (which you invariably employ) and the vitriol spouted by LaRitournelle, who I note is still allowed to post there.

Keep posting here though, please]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AKUS, too bad you have been banned.  Your posts were always to the point and dealt with the arguments without gunning for the posters.  </p>
<p>I believe you were banned as a last gasp idiotic effort by CiF against CiFWatch, which has rattled their moderators so much that they can no longer tell the difference between reasoned argument (which you invariably employ) and the vitriol spouted by LaRitournelle, who I note is still allowed to post there.</p>
<p>Keep posting here though, please</p>
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		<title>By: Leon Wells</title>
		<link>http://cifwatch.com/2009/09/03/combating-biased-moderation-how-to-save-posts-before-deletion/comment-page-2/#comment-1019</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leon Wells]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 13:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Moderators

I don&#039;t think it does your website any favours by allowing personal abuse to remain on the board. Allowing someone to refer to a fellow commenter as psychotic, is not good web practice.

Thank you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moderators</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it does your website any favours by allowing personal abuse to remain on the board. Allowing someone to refer to a fellow commenter as psychotic, is not good web practice.</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://cifwatch.com/2009/09/03/combating-biased-moderation-how-to-save-posts-before-deletion/comment-page-2/#comment-1015</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 12:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[JerusalemMite, don&#039;t fee the trolls, particularly when they&#039;re psychotic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JerusalemMite, don&#8217;t fee the trolls, particularly when they&#8217;re psychotic.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon Wells</title>
		<link>http://cifwatch.com/2009/09/03/combating-biased-moderation-how-to-save-posts-before-deletion/comment-page-1/#comment-1011</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leon Wells]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 10:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah, JerusalemMite

1) Did the commenter known as &#039;CountBernadotte&#039; lie on CiF? You&#039;re the accuser -- the onus is on you to provide some evidence of this.

2) I don&#039;t come here to be loved, so I&#039;m not remotely concerned about being accepted.

3) Who are you when posting on CiF anyway -- one of the highly aggressive Clapthehammer&#039;s numerous incarnations?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, JerusalemMite</p>
<p>1) Did the commenter known as &#8216;CountBernadotte&#8217; lie on CiF? You&#8217;re the accuser &#8212; the onus is on you to provide some evidence of this.</p>
<p>2) I don&#8217;t come here to be loved, so I&#8217;m not remotely concerned about being accepted.</p>
<p>3) Who are you when posting on CiF anyway &#8212; one of the highly aggressive Clapthehammer&#8217;s numerous incarnations?</p>
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		<title>By: JerusalemMite</title>
		<link>http://cifwatch.com/2009/09/03/combating-biased-moderation-how-to-save-posts-before-deletion/comment-page-1/#comment-1008</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JerusalemMite]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 09:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Leon Wells. You have lied on CI(F) when you were CountBernadotte. 

Why should anyone accept in good faith anything that you write here?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leon Wells. You have lied on CI(F) when you were CountBernadotte. </p>
<p>Why should anyone accept in good faith anything that you write here?</p>
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		<title>By: Leon Wells</title>
		<link>http://cifwatch.com/2009/09/03/combating-biased-moderation-how-to-save-posts-before-deletion/comment-page-1/#comment-992</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leon Wells]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 20:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I take that back -- there&#039;s my original post.

Well done, folks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take that back &#8212; there&#8217;s my original post.</p>
<p>Well done, folks.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon Wells</title>
		<link>http://cifwatch.com/2009/09/03/combating-biased-moderation-how-to-save-posts-before-deletion/comment-page-1/#comment-991</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leon Wells]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 20:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AKUS

&quot;Aha – my old fencing foil LeonWells, banned on CIF but welcome here, as he would be in the democracy called Israel, alerted me to the fact that there was some discussion of my banning here.&quot;

Glad to be of service. 

Unfortunately, I&#039;m not as welcome as you make out. I come onto a thread entitled &#039;Combating Biased Moderation&#039;, I write a humorous post addressed to you, perfectly polite, offer a plausible explanation for your banning -- and ironically it&#039;s now gone, removed without trace. Perhaps they don&#039;t know in New York City, that in Liverpool where I hail from, the phrase &#039;me old mucker&#039; is a genuine term of endearment. 

Anyway, bump into you again sometime.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AKUS</p>
<p>&#8220;Aha – my old fencing foil LeonWells, banned on CIF but welcome here, as he would be in the democracy called Israel, alerted me to the fact that there was some discussion of my banning here.&#8221;</p>
<p>Glad to be of service. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, I&#8217;m not as welcome as you make out. I come onto a thread entitled &#8216;Combating Biased Moderation&#8217;, I write a humorous post addressed to you, perfectly polite, offer a plausible explanation for your banning &#8212; and ironically it&#8217;s now gone, removed without trace. Perhaps they don&#8217;t know in New York City, that in Liverpool where I hail from, the phrase &#8216;me old mucker&#8217; is a genuine term of endearment. </p>
<p>Anyway, bump into you again sometime.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon Wells</title>
		<link>http://cifwatch.com/2009/09/03/combating-biased-moderation-how-to-save-posts-before-deletion/comment-page-1/#comment-989</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leon Wells]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 20:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yo, AKUS

So this is where you&#039;re hanging out -- I was waiting for you over yonder.

&quot;Aha – my old fencing foil LeonWells, banned on CIF but welcome here, as he would be in the democracy called Israel, alerted me to the fact that there was some discussion of my banning here.&quot;

Glad to be of service. 

Yes, I did notice that a whole bunch of your posts were removed on the Rivka Carmi thread. I didn&#039;t get to read &#039;em before they went, but I have a sneaky feeling (you know, you just feel it in yer bones sometimes) that they were probably deemed as &#039;trolling&#039;.

So there we have it. You, my dear fellow, were probably jettisoned from the bad ship Commentisfree for persistent trolling.

Still, that&#039;s just the way the internet propaganda war cookie crumbles. 

Take care now -- me old mucker.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yo, AKUS</p>
<p>So this is where you&#8217;re hanging out &#8212; I was waiting for you over yonder.</p>
<p>&#8220;Aha – my old fencing foil LeonWells, banned on CIF but welcome here, as he would be in the democracy called Israel, alerted me to the fact that there was some discussion of my banning here.&#8221;</p>
<p>Glad to be of service. </p>
<p>Yes, I did notice that a whole bunch of your posts were removed on the Rivka Carmi thread. I didn&#8217;t get to read &#8216;em before they went, but I have a sneaky feeling (you know, you just feel it in yer bones sometimes) that they were probably deemed as &#8216;trolling&#8217;.</p>
<p>So there we have it. You, my dear fellow, were probably jettisoned from the bad ship Commentisfree for persistent trolling.</p>
<p>Still, that&#8217;s just the way the internet propaganda war cookie crumbles. </p>
<p>Take care now &#8212; me old mucker.</p>
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		<title>By: Clive</title>
		<link>http://cifwatch.com/2009/09/03/combating-biased-moderation-how-to-save-posts-before-deletion/comment-page-1/#comment-974</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clive]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 16:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for that, AKUS. Clears things up a treat as far as I&#039;m concerned. 

CIF Watch, can we now have a discussion considering the merits of a boycott of Comment is Free,  The Guardian, plus all and any products advertised by the Guardian and it&#039;s so called, comment site ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that, AKUS. Clears things up a treat as far as I&#8217;m concerned. </p>
<p>CIF Watch, can we now have a discussion considering the merits of a boycott of Comment is Free,  The Guardian, plus all and any products advertised by the Guardian and it&#8217;s so called, comment site ?</p>
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		<title>By: AKUS</title>
		<link>http://cifwatch.com/2009/09/03/combating-biased-moderation-how-to-save-posts-before-deletion/comment-page-1/#comment-971</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AKUS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 15:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Aha - my old fencing foil LeonWells, banned on CIF but welcome here, as he would be in the democracy called Israel, alerted me to the fact that there was some discussion of my banning here. 

Just by the way - someone is occasionally posting under my moniker and I will do my best to alert this board when that happens - it would be  nice if they can find a way to correctly identify fakes, but I imagine they need special software and the money to do it. I think &quot;Irish&quot; is being stalked and faked as well.

I think I was banned after posting on the Carmi thread for any of four reasons. It did not keep my posts so cannot be sure, and they, of course have vanished into the vaults of the Guardian&#039;s servers. So, let&#039;s play &quot;you be the moderator&quot; and  take your pick of the following four possible &quot;infringements of community standards&quot;as a reason to ban someone:

a) I objected to the howling mob, which I compared to a crowd or lynch mob clustered around the guillotine calling for her head.

B) I wrote something about that thread exemplifying the worst of CIF&#039;s tolerance for, and providing a home for, anti-Semites dressed up as anti-Zionists

c) I supported Carmi&#039;s position

d) I complained about albagobragh&#039;s use of a widely circulated fake quote attributed to BG claiming he supported ethnic cleansing but it took a direct letter to Seaton and Henry to get it removed, though my rebuttal had immediately been removed.

So, contestants - which was the reason for banning? I will make up a false moniker for the the winner to use and go back to post the answer on CIF.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aha &#8211; my old fencing foil LeonWells, banned on CIF but welcome here, as he would be in the democracy called Israel, alerted me to the fact that there was some discussion of my banning here. </p>
<p>Just by the way &#8211; someone is occasionally posting under my moniker and I will do my best to alert this board when that happens &#8211; it would be  nice if they can find a way to correctly identify fakes, but I imagine they need special software and the money to do it. I think &#8220;Irish&#8221; is being stalked and faked as well.</p>
<p>I think I was banned after posting on the Carmi thread for any of four reasons. It did not keep my posts so cannot be sure, and they, of course have vanished into the vaults of the Guardian&#8217;s servers. So, let&#8217;s play &#8220;you be the moderator&#8221; and  take your pick of the following four possible &#8220;infringements of community standards&#8221;as a reason to ban someone:</p>
<p>a) I objected to the howling mob, which I compared to a crowd or lynch mob clustered around the guillotine calling for her head.</p>
<p>B) I wrote something about that thread exemplifying the worst of CIF&#8217;s tolerance for, and providing a home for, anti-Semites dressed up as anti-Zionists</p>
<p>c) I supported Carmi&#8217;s position</p>
<p>d) I complained about albagobragh&#8217;s use of a widely circulated fake quote attributed to BG claiming he supported ethnic cleansing but it took a direct letter to Seaton and Henry to get it removed, though my rebuttal had immediately been removed.</p>
<p>So, contestants &#8211; which was the reason for banning? I will make up a false moniker for the the winner to use and go back to post the answer on CIF.</p>
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